Curse

Niila · Jun 16, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

For start, I love this update and this is not complain thread, just one question.

Back ago last summer I farmed a lot of kurzick faction which I transferred to amber, and my total kurzick faction is something like 1,055,000 at the moment. However, I have transferred just 40k to my faction, and as this update came:

# Exchanging faction points for amber or jade now gives progress toward these titles.

It feels quite unfair that I'm supposed to farm 60k more faction to get the skills, when in reality I have done it more than enough. I would have something like rank 5 in that title track, which would make those skills much more powerful than they are in rank 1 @ 100k faction mark.

So my question here is: Could they be able to turn this title retroactive? It surely would help many people who have bought amber/jade in the past.
Thanks for great update though.

upier · Jun 16, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

this is the freakiest thing ever!

i was just about to post this as a new thread:
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wiki info:

Allegiance rank (also known as "Faction rank") is a title, that you can display for prestige.

It is awarded per account for transferring faction to an alliance. After June 15, 2007 update, faction transfered either to gain PvE skill or jadeite/amber will also add to the title.

Since the game already keeps track of how much faction we have earned - any chance that that number just becomes our title track?
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it seems that great minds think alike!

signed, signed, signed!

edit:
ahhhh - it seems OTHER great minds thought of this too:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10168452

Evilsod · Jun 16, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00

I would really hope so... its not like you can spend your faction on anything else, so all you've earned would go straight to the title. My faction bar states i've gained 432k worth of faction, yet i only donated 145k of that, because the alliances weren't really interested.

Oh and Critical Agility is now my R/As perma IAS

Arshay Duskbrow · Jun 16, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Same....512,000 faction earned, ZERO donated because I'm not in an alliance...

meerkats · Jun 16, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I dont think you have the right to feel that it is unfair, you traded your faction for Amber knowing full well that it would not count towards the title. The people that donated their faction to their/someone's guild knowing full well that they would not get any amber for armour or to sell.

I traded all my faction for amber so i could craft armour so now i have to earn more to unlock title but that is fine with me.

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

I literally jsut randomly chose to buy jade instead of donate. it would go to waste in either form since i dont plan to buy luxon armor and it would just atrophy away in my alliance, and the title as an epeen display piece meant nothing to me... but now the title is suddenly not only used to make the PVE skills better, but is actually required to obtain them.... that's just not right :/ theres really no reason not to have it go off of faction earned. people who donated to their guilds still have their guild's high faction ranking, people who bought amber/jade still have that, everyone can continue to use their faction in whatever way they like, and no one is punished for what they did before title-based skills were even thought of... everyone wins, except for maybe a couple attention wh0res that want something that they think makes em seem better than everyone else...

either that, or just make the skills based off of faction earned, and the epeen title can stay based on donations. there, that better? everyone wins.

Psuedo Halgoen · Jun 16, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

I'd vote for this. 420k faction earned

Evilsod · Jun 16, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

The majority of people who go for the Alleigence title at a high level are paid for it i would've thought. Plus they get access to all the cheap lockpicks they want.

Nobody is gonna get an instant 5 million faction or something... nobody farms for Amber THAT much.

bilateralrope · Jun 16, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by meerkats

I dont think you have the right to feel that it is unfair, you traded your faction for Amber knowing full well that it would not count towards the title. The people that donated their faction to their/someone's guild knowing full well that they would not get any amber for armour or to sell.

Except that neither party had any idea that the titles would be there for anything except for showing off. But then ANET suddenly changes the rules, giving a major benefit to one group, but not another that had done equal work for a very minor reward.

So how exactly is this sudden change of the rules fair ?
Especially since ANET seems to of decided that faction spent on amber/jadite is now equal to faction spent on town holding ?

Quote:

I traded all my faction for amber so i could craft armour so now i have to earn more to unlock title but that is fine with me.

And then farm more to bring your title up to levels where the skills become useful.

Quote:

Since the game already keeps track of how much faction we have earned - any chance that that number just becomes our title track?

It seems a good idea, and is probably the easiest way for ANET to fix these complaints.

Fr_3_aK · Jun 16, 2007, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Ive already beat factions 7 times (and used the faction to make amber to get armor), why make me PVP for PVE only skills...

Total kurzick/luxon faction earned is the path to PVE skills not PVP.

Saraphim · Jun 16, 2007, 09:55 AM // 09:55

You don't need to pvp. Just pick up the blessings from the shrines (Luxon or Kurzick priests) and you'll get faction for every monster you kill.

Gli · Jun 16, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

That would've helped a year ago when Factions was fresh and farming slightly tolerable because of it.

flamegrilled cheese · Jun 16, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

I agree, whether you've bought amber or donated it to your alliance you've still earnt the factions either way and it should count towards the title.

Yanman.be · Jun 16, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

/signed You can even raise the faction cap again. But let the faction add to the title.

Kelsey Cain · Jun 16, 2007, 10:20 AM // 10:20

/signed

any game changes which allow retrospective awards of achievements should be implemented.

cellardweller · Jun 16, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

/unsigned

We got anywhere up to 5-6 plat for each of those amber/jade chunks back in the day, whereas the people (at least the vast majority that weren't in town owning guilds) that opted to put that faction to their title got nothing except the title itself.

If you want retroactive titles for amber earn't, then anet would need to give at least 1kgc per 1k faction donated prior to the change to make it fair.

GodofAcid · Jun 16, 2007, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by meerkats

I dont think you have the right to feel that it is unfair, you traded your faction for Amber knowing full well that it would not count towards the title. The people that donated their faction to their/someone's guild knowing full well that they would not get any amber for armour or to sell.

I traded all my faction for amber so i could craft armour so now i have to earn more to unlock title but that is fine with me.

Sorry folks, but I have to agree with him. You decided to spend your faction on jade or amber, and that was what you got out of that. You knew when you spent that faction that was what you were getting out of it, and now you want the new titles that came out yesterday because had you spent your faction in another way, you'd have that title. You got your reward which was the amber/jade, knowing full well that was how it worked at the time. Now that it's changed, I don't think the new rules should be applied to the past. No offense, just how I feel.

Let me tell you guys a true story - I usually buy my games online. I went online to see how much Nightfall was, 50 bucks at the time for the standard edition. I went out that day and saw the collectors edition on the shelf for 60 bucks, so I decided to buy it instead of waiting for the delivery time. Literally 1 or 2 days after I bought it, I found the price where I shop online had gone from $50 to $25. That's life. I didn't go back to the store and demand that they give me money back since the price had been cut in half where I would have bought the game online. If I had gone back to the store where I bought the game and found that it had gone on sale the next day, I would not have asked that they apply the sale price to my copy and refund some of my money. You guys are disappointed, fine, but deep down you know right from wrong. You know what I'm saying makes sense.

Orphan Anthem · Jun 16, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

yeah seriously ive farmed so much amber for my two sets of 15k kurz full 5 pices then 5 extra smaller pices for build changes and i only have 40k transfered to my guild but ive earned 340k i would LOVE it if you could show us a little love, i really thot you would have the forsight to see this but please make it possable

pork soldier · Jun 16, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

I'd love this - I've earned ~375k Luxon faction and only transfered 70k... Having to farm a ton of faction makes me really cranky, this game doesn't need to be another accomplishment engine ala Lineage 2 or WoW (oh, wait, .. it's now Guild WoW - nevermind).

Marth Reynolds · Jun 16, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

/Signed

But probaly not gonna happen... Looks at wisdom and treasure hunter title :[
And if you think ppl in big alliance got nothing for those factions donated.. they have accsess to merchants with lower prices if they own a town, not to mention that a lot of them also ferried for donations.